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Welcome
to Not Normalville
The
cake-filled world of Jane Hutton & Kate
Knapp
I
recently spoke to one of the co-creators of
Lost in Normality, Kate Knapp, about
normality, dog whispering, and the creative
powers of cake and biscuits.
What
was the spark for a set of cards that exposes
the effects of normality?
It
came firstly from our own personal encounters
with the tricky and challenging idea of normality.
Jane noticed it wasn't only us wrestling with
these feelings but also the people who came
to talk with her in her practice. I found
the beginning of a personal relationship the
perfect climate for expectations and ideas
of normality to grow. I began drawing birds
in an effort to understand and see humour
in it. Everywhere we turned seductive ideas
of normality seemed to be strangling extraordinariness.
Jane
had been captured for some time with Michael
White's personal failure ideas. There
were endless conversations about how we could
communicate these ideas simply to lots of
people. We were creating a workbook because
people had been responding so well to the
illustrations. Then, after some workshops
using the illustrations as flash cards, and
some very persistent therapists begging us
for copies, we pushed ourselves to create
this resource.
Do
you think the conservative political climate
of the past decade makes Lost in Normality
even more relevant?
Ideas
of normality do appear to be getting stronger
and more limiting. With the influence of the
media inviting us to jump through ever narrowing
hoops to 'measure up' it's no accident that
there's an epidemic of depression and anxiety.
It is partly a political idea to just medicate
without questioning why a person is experiencing
distress. Individualising people's experiences
is a political act.
What
was the process for developing the questions
for each card?
Cup
of tea, cup of coffee, bit of cake, cup of
tea, cup of coffee, biscuit, cup of tea, cup
of coffee, think of a question...
In the midst of all the comforting, Jane would draw on Michael White's failure map to create questions that guided the user through the map steps. We also drew on her practice experience by using questions she would ask in conversations. I was like this painful ringing in Jane's ear-'keep it simple' or 'I don't get it'.
What came first, the illustrations or the questions?
The
illustrations came first. On talking we realised
the illustrations and ideas ran parallel.
The questions were created as an opening to
explore ideas and reflect on where the illustrations
had taken them. During this process lots of
new illustrations emerged.
What
does it mean to re-story our lives?
Not
only to make sense of our lives in stories,
but those stories shape our lives by giving
us ideas about how we can respond to people
and situations. "I don't measure up" stories
(which can be quite discouraging) can be transformed
by turning the spotlight on the measure and
reflecting on what we might have been valuing
instead, and what this says about who we are.
This
resource feels like the result of a serendipitous
creative partnership. How did that come about?
How
long have you got? Jane and I became friends
after spotting each other in a coffee shop.
I was like a magpie when I saw Jane's colourful
clothes and her infectious joyful spirit.
Jane discovered my art, which touched her
heart. Jane would stay over at my place when
working in Brisbane and long conversations
about life, the universe and everything sparked
this project.
What
are your hopes for Lost in Normality ?
We
hope to recover! Really, our greatest hope
is for these ideas to get out there to lots
of people, enabling them to begin questioning
the effects of normality. We hope that they
open possibilities and allow people to recognise
their own extraordinariness.

Jane
Hutton (left) works as a narrative therapist
in a private practice. her background training
as a social worker gives her a strong interest
in social justice and how culture shapes our
experiences of others and ourselves.

Kate
Knapp (right) is an Australian artist who
creates illustrations
of whimsical personalities (like her dog,
Saffy) that express simple messages to enrich
the human spirit.
Jane
and Kate share the same passion of seeking
the extraordinary in life.
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